tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post3625122068285787772..comments2023-09-28T07:23:51.376-07:00Comments on ProjectPerko: TGBCraig Perkohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-52581339677764894832008-03-18T13:39:00.000-07:002008-03-18T13:39:00.000-07:00hmm, this is a great discussion for me, as I'm loo...hmm, this is a great discussion for me, as I'm looking for game development software that has to fit a very specific set of qualities:<BR/>3D (able to import models from 3DSMax, etc), and yet require little or no programming ability to use.<BR/><BR/>We've had our students using First Person Shooter Creator so far, but it's very limited and buggy as hell and everyone involved hates it.<BR/><BR/>I'll look into Blade3D and some of the others now on the indie game dev article someone linked to, but in the meantime, if anyone has any suggestions off the top of their head, I'd love to hear them.Brian Shurtleffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17268800121161392914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-85283367543265541012008-03-17T19:49:00.000-07:002008-03-17T19:49:00.000-07:00GameMaker likes platformers, but it's a pretty sol...GameMaker likes platformers, but it's a pretty solid system and can even do basic 3D stuff. That said it can be a bit of a challenge if you try to step outside of Mark Overmars' plans, tho not impossible.<BR/><BR/>I find it a tad bit more useable than ActionScript/Flash but with a smaller potential userbase. And only slightly faster since it is also interpreted.DmLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867491782144075781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-55905060806869723442008-03-17T14:56:00.000-07:002008-03-17T14:56:00.000-07:00Blade3D, not Blaze3DBlade3D, not Blaze3DCraig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-42986784414145255652008-03-17T14:55:00.000-07:002008-03-17T14:55:00.000-07:00I'm testing out the trial version of GameMaker. It...I'm testing out the trial version of GameMaker. It seems like it would be useful if you wanted to do a specific subset of things, but I'm not sure how flexible it is yet. ("Not Very", says my instinct.)<BR/><BR/>Often, you don't need the flexibility, so it's better to have something easy. As it's $30, I don't see any reason NOT to get it.<BR/><BR/>As to Blaze3D, I really hate subscription services. Since my games are 99% 2D, Blaze3D is close to useless.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-20676532860394883602008-03-17T14:39:00.000-07:002008-03-17T14:39:00.000-07:00As a follow up, I just came accross an article on ...As a follow up, I just came accross an article on Gamasutra again regarding something called <A HREF="http://blade3d.com/" REL="nofollow">Blade3D</A> that is a subscription based offering bult on top of XNA. The marketing gumph seems to offer a WYSIWYG interface, but I'm not a huge fan of subscription services.<BR/><BR/>You can find the article on Gamasutra <A HREF="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17891" REL="nofollow">here</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-10825019005509742482008-03-16T14:33:00.000-07:002008-03-16T14:33:00.000-07:00Not really my field of expertise, I can say that t...Not really my field of expertise, I can say that the small amount of stuff I've played around with has <A HREF="http://www.yoyogames.com/make" REL="nofollow">Gamemaker</A> at the top of the easy prototype tool list. Nice clickable interface to add elements and behaviours. This seems to be the only competent middleware (outside of Flash) I've seen with a focus on developing games via a clickable interface as opposed to a library to be added to a language (ala XNA, Allegro or Popcap)<BR/><BR/>A good starting point might be <A HREF="http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3547/nine_paths_to_indie_game_greatness.php?page=3" REL="nofollow">this page</A> in a Gamasutra article about indie game dev. It lists a number of technologies at the cheaper end of the scale (that includes gamemaker as well torque so I guess take it with a grain of salt).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-12300866490764187792008-03-14T20:45:00.000-07:002008-03-14T20:45:00.000-07:00To tell you the truth, I don't know for sure. I'll...To tell you the truth, I don't know for sure. I'll download it and give it a try.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-79136933676963255272008-03-14T20:15:00.000-07:002008-03-14T20:15:00.000-07:00I guess you're looking for something a bit heavier...I guess you're looking for something a bit heavier than GameMaker, tho?DmLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01867491782144075781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-38475199949908019182008-03-14T08:55:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:55:00.000-07:00I couldn't even start a new project in TorqueX. I'...I couldn't even start a new project in TorqueX. I've got so much dev software crammed into this machine that C# 2005 Express is conflicting with something else. When I hit "new project", I have no options for type of project. None at all.<BR/><BR/>IF I hit "new project" in the Pro edition (rather than the express edition) everything works fine, except that TorqueX isn't on the list.<BR/><BR/>Blah!Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-13251543511650687832008-03-14T08:52:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:52:00.000-07:00I haven't had any problems with TorqueX. I got a ...I haven't had any problems with TorqueX. I got a simple platformer up and running very quickly. The only thing that bothers me about is some of the weird scaling (and what it does to pixel art) and the XNA requirements for people to play your games.<BR/><BR/>I can't claim the avatar as my own, it's done by a Japanese artist who did most of the concepts for the recent Megaman ZX games. This particular image is a take on the Gundam series. <BR/><BR/>Yes, I've popped up recently on tigsource forums and pixelation forums. Trying to get serious about game dev as a hobby.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501301078027611367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-20377169968039632312008-03-14T08:50:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:50:00.000-07:00Looks like I'll be looking into XNA...Looks like I'll be looking into XNA...Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-3111851806796920312008-03-14T08:45:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:45:00.000-07:00Yeah XNA is quite nice from a small-time perspecti...Yeah XNA is quite nice from a small-time perspective. It doesn't fight you, but you still have to set up a working dynamics system. Its probably more setup than Torque, but you always know whats going on (mostly). Even if its more work at first, less frustration is valuable.Olickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15516414416783046990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-58390115264354075562008-03-14T08:37:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:37:00.000-07:00Oh, and, um, welcome to the blog everyone. I do ap...Oh, and, um, welcome to the blog everyone. I do appreciate the comments even if I'm snarky. I just really hate it when something that was good starts to suck.<BR/><BR/>NinjaScience: I've seen your avatar before... if it's unique, you get around quite a bit! It's nifty.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-23583759500173879672008-03-14T08:35:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:35:00.000-07:00I couldn't get TorqueX to even work. I'm going to ...I couldn't get TorqueX to even work. I'm going to get away from GarageGames, I think. I think they're on the way down.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-73592490224048649282008-03-14T08:12:00.000-07:002008-03-14T08:12:00.000-07:00I second the nomination of XNA. TorqueX built on ...I second the nomination of XNA. TorqueX built on XNA is a really nice component based framework, but might not be necessary for an experienced game developer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501301078027611367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-13352116656502822672008-03-14T06:52:00.000-07:002008-03-14T06:52:00.000-07:00Anon: How pricey did that end up being? How diffic...Anon: How pricey did that end up being? How difficult to set up and work with?<BR/><BR/>Esden: I was thinking about XNA, maybe I'll give it a shot.<BR/><BR/>PopCap's got a EULA I don't want to sign, though.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-50539072033313319872008-03-14T06:41:00.000-07:002008-03-14T06:41:00.000-07:00We are using Flash CS3 with Multidmedia Zinc 3.0 a...We are using Flash CS3 with Multidmedia Zinc 3.0 and Box2DFlashAS3 for 2D and OGRE3D for real-time 3D games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-9469794235720993392008-03-14T00:43:00.000-07:002008-03-14T00:43:00.000-07:00The PopCap Developer Program's Framework is pretty...The <A HREF="http://developer.popcap.com/forums/pop_index.php" REL="nofollow">PopCap Developer Program's Framework</A> is pretty nice if you ever wanted to go back to C++.<BR/><BR/>Have you tried <A HREF="http://creators.xna.com/Education/GettingStarted.aspx" REL="nofollow">Microsoft's XNA?</A> It's free. It's fast. C# is a pretty nice language, and the VC# IDE is really helpful.Edwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13891179151507059084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-45488878911082615152008-03-13T17:41:00.000-07:002008-03-13T17:41:00.000-07:00I'm not a fan of Pygame because I've edited the so...I'm not a fan of Pygame because I've edited the source code of games built in it. I find they quickly degenerate into masses of exotic library requirements. I don't think I've ever gotten a Pygame to compile in under three hours because it constantly pops up with unhelpful and frequently bizarre compile errors, usually related to having the wrong (IE most recent) version of a required library.<BR/><BR/>I'm definitely thinking of something more cohesive.Craig Perkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173752470581218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11758224.post-72840723337644762812008-03-13T16:49:00.000-07:002008-03-13T16:49:00.000-07:00This is probably a bit too low-level since there's...This is probably a bit too low-level since there's no integrated tool chain, but I've been having good times with Python + Pygame + PyOpenGL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com